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Fascinating note near the end:: "Fascism" or authoritarianism in the US don't need an energized left as a bogeyman; just the prospect of a multi-racial democracy

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Great episode, didn’t write it down but there was a book on the future of liberalism you mentioned, any chance for a title? Thanks!

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It's this book I think -- not about the future of liberalism but the right-wingers trying to create a post-liberal order: https://yalebooks.yale.edu/book/9780300243116/world-after-liberalism

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